Athletics & Brewers

Submitted by: RobinsHomeTown

Athletics

NameAgeLevelP1P2AvailabilityYearsAFVSalarySurplusLowMedianHigh
Aaron Ashby23MajorsSPLHRPLow622.16.415.712.615.718.8
Garrett MitchellMinorsOF22.217.822.226.6
Hedbert PerezMinorsOF8.36.68.310
Jeferson QueroMinorsC9.37.49.311.2
Brice TurangMinorsSS18.214.618.221.8

Total Value:

73.7

Brewers

NameAgeLevelP1P2AvailabilityYearsAFVSalarySurplusLowMedianHigh
Matt Chapman28Majors3BMedium251.52724.519.624.529.4
Matt Olson27Majors1BMedium281.129.551.641.351.651.9

Total Value:

76.1

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RobinsHomeTown

This one is for those out there that think the A's rebuild will take 3 years. I don't buy that, but if this is what is needed to win a couple of WS for the Brewers, then let's do it.

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johnbitzer

Are you saying you think it would take longer than three years? If so, note that the last one took only three (2015-17).

RobinsHomeTown

No, I think they are closer than that. Any decent organization should be able to flip a team in 2 years with the bones that the A's already have.

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johnbitzer

But they'd be trading those bones, so...

RobinsHomeTown

But with some clean slate freedom to sign players where they see fit. They have $16MM committed to payroll next year. In the event, that a salary floor is negotiated into place, my earlier trade with the arb eligible players makes even more sense for the A's.

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grover

Oakland had a bad stretch with their drafts. A two year turnaround is... unlikely. Also, they have much more than $16 MM committed to payroll in 2022.

RobinsHomeTown

As it stands right now, they $27 MM committed in 2022. Yes, they will need to fill out the balance of their roster, but if they traded Chapman, Olson, Bassitt, Montas and Manaea, they could likely fill out their roster with min salary players. This would put them around $41 MM...if that isn't saving money for a 2024 turnaround, then this ownership group should be eliminated. The point of this trade was to help Oakland achieve the 2024 turnaround with some players who should all be ready by then and allowing for financial flexibility to fill holes that still exist in 2024.

RobinsHomeTown

BTW...Aaron Ashby is way underrated here and on prospect lists in general. This current trade will be deemed as a steal for the A's by the time this post season is complete.

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johnbitzer

If his performance goes up, his value will go up.

RobinsHomeTown

Check out the Stuff+ metrics from Eno Sarris and just watch how hitters react. He could be the left handed version of Corbin Burnes.

RobinsHomeTown

I see that Ashby's value has increased from 15.7 to 23.2. Look for that value to skyrocket again. I'm ashamed that I even proposed this trade :)

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johnbitzer

Yes, his rating improved on BA's updated prospect list.

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johnbitzer

(Responding to your post below...) A prospect's nominal position on a list has nothing to do with his value, to your point. Re-read my comment: his RATING improved on BA's updated list. And that is indeed based on scout's evaluations and performance.

RobinsHomeTown

John, I couldn't reply to your comment but I understand why you would use the prospect lists for ease of value, but it seems odd to me that just because a player moves up on a team's prospect list that their value would go up. Those lists are affected by graduations and trades. Not saying that this is the case with Ashby, but let's say the Brewers trade the prospects that I mention above. Would Joe Gray's value raise just because he would move higher on the Brewers prospect list? If so, there is a hole in the valuation process that could use a tweak or two. I would think that the valuation of minor leaguers should be based on scout tool evaluations and their performance, not their movement on someone's list.

jmont1

IMO the Brewers say a big fat NO. Urias is doing as well as Chapman and the Brewers may re-sign Escobar. Ashby and Mitchell are far to valuable to waste on Olson.

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