Mariners & Nationals

Submitted by: johnbitzer

Real Trade

Mariners

NameAgeLevelP1P2AvailabilityYearsAFVSalarySurplusLowMedianHigh
Jose Ferrer26MajorsRP427.414.712.610.112.615.2

Total Value:

12.6

Nationals

NameAgeLevelP1P2AvailabilityYearsAFVSalarySurplusLowMedianHigh
Harry Ford23MajorsC633.112.220.916.720.925.1

Total Value:

20.9

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johnbitzer

Isaac Lyon (low-A pitcher, not in system) also in deal going to Washington.

ElephantInTheRoom

Been saying for awhile now that Harry Ford was overrated by media and fans and this trade proves it.

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Robbie Hyde

What are you talking about? Good defense and solid hit tool shown by his metrics https://prospectsavant.com/player/695670, but is clearly blocked, and the Nats just so happen to be lacking high upside catching, which can't be said for many other teams that can send back someone of value. If anything, this shows the Mariners see a guy with monster velo/stuff and multiple years of control, who could be a better option than Bazardo who blew it in the ALCS.

ElephantInTheRoom

There's a pretty big difference from AAA to MLB but still I didn't say he was bad I said he was overrated specifically in mock trades that have him headlining star trades. I think we see his real value here. Ferrer isn't a bad piece but he's not a great piece either although I would up the value slightly because of the park he's going to. Could be a back of the bullpen arm could be Genesis Cabrera.

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johnbitzer

It comes up as an overpay by Seattle, but justifiably so. Ford was blocked by Cal Raleigh, and Ferrer is very good, with four years of control.

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ShaquilleOatmeal

"Very good" is way too generous. Throws hard but a below average K rate and gets hit really hard. Thrives on getting ground balls and suppressing the home run. Home run suppression just doesn't get paid in free agency the way strikeouts do. He's a nice reliever with 3 years of control. I'd have just traded some shitty prospect for Peter Fairbanks and kept my top 50 prospect, but Dipoto loves to deal him some 'spects.

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johnbitzer

Once again: Ferrer has four years of control, not three. Don't know why you keep posting that incorrectly.

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ShaquilleOatmeal

This is the first time the name Jose Ferrer has ever come out of my mouth. You have me confused with somebody else. I saw 39 games in his rookie year, and assumed he was credited with a full season. I guess I assumed wrongly, but I'm not spreading misinformation. That was my first comment on him. So I suppose we both need to do some research before we spout off ignorantly.

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johnbitzer

There's another comment under your name just below this one -- so that makes two.

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ShaquilleOatmeal

Oh I see. The one I made 2 minutes before responding. Fair enough. I don't "keep saying" it. I said it twice in a minute and a half. Sorry, sometimes I go elsewhere for information because it's not always up to date here, and this time I got it wrong. On an unrelated note, But if we're publicly airing our grievances over perceived disinformation, Dietrich Enns hasn't played for the Rays in 4 years and Mason Auer switched to pitching 2 years ago.

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johnbitzer

No worries. And thanks for the catch on those two -- both have been updated.

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ShaquilleOatmeal

So Harry Ford was available.... Embarrassing for the Rays that they targeted Fortes and Feduccia 4 months ago, only to watch Ford be traded for 3 years of a very replaceable reliever. I cannot describe how little faith I have in Tampa Bay Rays management.

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johnbitzer

Ferrer has 4 years of control, and is very good.

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mp2891

Ford is not considered a good backstop and the Rays only like defensive catchers. I’m not surprised the Rays weren’t interested or that Seattle sold low.

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ShaquilleOatmeal

We're going to a challenge system next year. Unless he's going to give up 200 stolen bases next year, I don't care about his framing. I care about whether he hits better than the Ben Rortvedt clones that the Rays have paraded at the C position for the last 25 years. Maybe we can petition MLB to allow a second DH to bat for the C, because that's the only thing that would make anything about Hunter Feduccia interesting to me. 2.01 pop time from Feduccia is horrific, .194 xBA horrific, .280 xSLG horrific. The Rays gave up similar value for Pereira as the Nationals did for Ford. Jacob Lopez goes to Oakland as a throw in and has a 28(!!) % K rate as a SP. Now that the Rockies have new management, it's a tight race between the Rays and Angels to determine who has the worst scouting, development, coaching, and executives in baseball. At this point, the only difference between the Rays and the Angels is that the Angels attendants can get you some pretty sweet drugs if you ask nicely.

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mp2891

Each team gets 2 challenges, which they can use over and over if their challenge is upheld. It’s an improvement but not exactly a game altering change to the catcher position.

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Ms. Dajuba

💁🏼‍♀️ Ford was blocked in Seattle but only from catching 100+ games a season, he certainly wasn’t blocked from potentially catching 50+ games yearly. The Nationals have a glaring need at the position and can give the opportunity to Ford during the spring to earn and to catch 80 + games in ‘26. It certainly wouldn’t surprise me to learn that there were multiple suitors for him. The Mariners were definitely on the hunt for LH RP and the 25yr (he doesn’t turn 26yr until March) with 4yrs of control and with high leverage experience certainly fills that need. 👍👍 And don’t forget about Isaac Lyon also going to the Nationals, the Mariners got their man and were willing to pay the price to get it done for a playoff contending club. Bravo 👏

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